Author Topic: Possible UK law changes, and how it effects us  (Read 762 times)

June 16, 2012, 07:28:14 AM
There are new laws being passed through at the moment, that will put a new slant on how we have to deal with trolls here. Thankfully, to date, I don't think we have had any issues in this area, but that is not to say it can't happen.
The new laws would require us, as a forum/website, to release the details of any troll that posts abusive or defamatory material, to the victim. Now although we will indeed be abiding by these law changes (should it all go through), we will not be handing out members details willy nilly. A formal request will need to be made by the victim of the abuse, which will need to provide FULL proof that they are not only the actual victim, but also how they are a victim of the abusive behaviour/posting.
You can see a little more info on these future changes to the laws at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18404621

June 16, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
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I think that this is basically aimed at Facebook and Twitter Chris but, unfortunately, it will cast a wide net.
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June 16, 2012, 11:15:12 AM
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Indeed it is Bob. In one sense, it takes the responsibility of user generated content away from site owners (meaning they are not liable). But adds to their responsibility in as far as having to provide details to those who claim to be the victim of online abuse etc. In our case, it does actually have an added advantage, with regards to copyrights. At the moment, I'm responsible, if someone posts a copyrights protected image, without permission. But should these new changes get passed, I would not be liable, providing I give the posters info, to the copyrights owner. This is because falsely claiming a work/works as your own, is a case for defamation of the original artists character, integrity, and skills etc etc ;) But again, the copyrights owner would need to prove that they were the true owner, and that some form of defamation had taken place. Otherwise it would still be a simple copyrights case, which isn't part of the proposed changes ;)

June 16, 2012, 12:19:35 PM
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I think the word you're looking for is plagiarism rather than defamation Chris. Copying someone's work and passing it off as his/her own is a form of flattery albeit breach of copyright IMO.

June 16, 2012, 01:14:35 PM
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its been in force in the uni rules for a long time Chris. Bolton uni adopted the principle about ten years ago before facebook was like it is now ad unis found a lot of students were being bullied through cyberspace. anyone who does it now has to go before a uni board and risks being kicked off the degree they are doing and being universally banned from all universities. Having said that, safeguards are in place to make sure spurrous claims are not made- after all the worst kind of cyncer bullying is creating a false claim against someone you do not like in order to cause them trouble.

I think it is a great idea but I can see some forums( mentioning no names) will have a few problems with it. I think we here as a forum have always had a responsible attitude and if I may say so a mature one and delt with any issues in a correct and respectful way so we have never had need to recourse to legal solutions.
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June 16, 2012, 04:56:25 PM
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No worries Chris, in fact I can help 1 step further,,,,,, when I say something abusive to someone on this forum from now on I will give them my full name and address,,, so they can visit me and I can give them a real reason to cry abuse,,,,,after they wake up in hospital that is  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Only joking...... Actually I think this has got to be one of the first "E" laws that I think is sensible and good
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June 17, 2012, 05:52:55 PM
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Having used forums and the social interwebs for a good chunk of my life, I find myself a little torn on this.  

I applaud the fact they've actually gone to the trouble of putting something in place to protect the vulnerable, however like most thing's they then go and get it hugely wrong by over reacting and smashing the door down, rather than using a perfectly working key.

I guess it remains to be seen exactly what effect this will have on the various different bits of social media out there.  I may be wrong and I often am,  but I see this a stepping stone to force more restrictions onto the internet at a later date which may not be as welcome.

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June 17, 2012, 06:23:45 PM
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I'm tempted to agree Ian. The Govt' (of whatever flavour) loves to be in charge of everything and the WWW is worrying them to the extent that if they get the chance AND WE LET THEM then EVERYTHING we do will be open to scrutiny. The only good thing will be that they'll have to recruit loads of people to monitor the net so should help the unemployed. Having beaten the b******s last time do we really want the Gestapo banging on the door in the middle of the night?

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Could be the thin end of the wedge.   They are trying this on gun clubs at the moment.   The police are asking secretaries to sign in members to prove that they are using what guns they have.   That's fair enough as you must prove you have a use for the gun but they are now asking for the serial numbers of the guns used to be recorded and how much ammo was used.   I was talking to the secretary of my club this morning and I advised that he write to the Chief Constable requesting details of the law that requires this.   There is no law; it just the police trying to make one up.
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